Timing and Predicting when Events will Happen with Astrological associations

by Douglas Gibb on July 26, 2010

Predicting with Astrology

A great Tarot reading predicts events.

No, it doesn’t just predict them. It predicts when they’re going to happen.

This tutorial will show you how to do just that.

I will be using the Golden Dawn framework throughout.

There are several different frameworks that can be used to predict events with astrological associations. I’ve chosen to use the Golden Dawn method because it’s the one I use for my work. If you don’t like the Golden Dawn framework there are several others that you can explore before deciding which one is right for you.

Normally, I approach an article by:

  1. Explaining why stuff works — or why a framework is structured the way it is.
  2. Provide information.
  3. Finally, suggest ways to practice it.

This tutorial series, in order to be practical, will have to break from that structure. This is how I’m going to write this series of articles:

  1. Suggest ways to practice it.
  2. Provide information.
  3. Explain why this framework is structured the way it is.

This way, you will be able to start timing and predicting events with astrology immediately. The only downside, as far as I can see, is that you won’t immediately know why the Golden Dawn attributed the astrological associations the way they did.

Let’s get started.

How to practice

The Golden Dawn system is made easier depending on the deck you use. Certain Tarot decks will show the astrological associations on each card. This removes the need for memorisation.

Start immediately

  1. Deal out your favourite Tarot spread.
  2. Make the usual predictions.
  3. Pick some cards that seem to indicate future events.
  4. Consult the list of attributions below to see when that event will occur.
  5. Record your results.
  6. Repeat the process. Keep repeating and testing the system. See if it’s for you. If you think it is, then the next series of posts will explain why the cards are attributed the way they are.

Another good way to practice is to make notes on what the zodiacal and planetary signs mean in Astrology. There are several ways to do this. I started by noting the seasons that each zodiacal sign was associated with. This gave me a vague, but useful understanding of their structure.

Be intuitive

Don’t make the mistake of assuming that the outcome card is the card that predicts when events will happen. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. It changes with each spread.

If you don’t feel that the outcome card is predicting when the event will happen, look for a cluster of cards to help you.

For example, if there are three or four Tarot cards that relate to Aries — I would be comfortable in predicting that March will be the Month the event happens. Or, if there are several cards relating to Virgo, I would predict that September will be the Month the event happens.

Bottom line: look for patterns rather than relying on an individual card to give you the timing.

The information

Below is a list of the astrological attributions associated with each Tarot card. I’ve split them into distinct sections to make it easier for you to find stuff.

The Minor Arcana

These are the attributions, plus dates, for the Minor Arcana.

  Wands Cups Swords Disks
  Wands Cups Swords Disks
Two Mar 21 to Mar 30 Mars in Aries 0° to 10° Aries June 21 to Jul 1 Venus in Cancer 0° to 10° Cancer Sept 23 to Oct 2 Moon in Libra 0° to 10° Libra Dec 22 to Dec 30 Jupiter in Capricorn 0° to 10° Capricorn
Three Mar 31 to Apr 10 Sol in Aries 10° to 20° Aries Jul 2 to Jul 11 Mercury in Cancer 10° to 20° Cancer Oct 3 to Oct 12 Saturn in Libra 10° to 20° Libra Dec 31 to Jan 9 Mars in Capricorn 10° to 20° Capricorn
Four Apr 11 to Apr 20 Venus in Aries 20° to 30° Aries Jul 12 to Jul 21 Moon in Cancer 20° to 30° Cancer Oct 13 to Oct 22 Jupiter in Libra 20° to 30° Libra Jan 10 to Jan 19 Sol in Capricorn 20° to 30° Capricorn
Five July 22 to Aug 1 Saturn in Leo 0° to 10° Leo Oct 23 to Nov 1 Mars in Scorpio 0° to 10° Scorpio Jan 20 to Jan 29 Venus in Aquarius 0° to 10° Aquarius Apr 21 to Apr 30 Mercury in Taurus 0° to 10° Taurus
Six Aug 2 to Aug 11 Jupiter in Leo 10° to 20° Leo Nov 2 to Nov 12 Sol in Scorpio 10° to 20° Scorpio Jan 30 to Feb 8 Mercury in Aquarius 10° to 20° Aquarius May 1 to May 10Mars in Taurus 10° to 20° Taurus
Seven Aug 12 to Aug 22 Mars in Leo 20° to 30° Leo Nov 13 to Nov 22 Venus in Scorpio 20° to 30° Scorpio Feb 9 to Feb 18 Moon in Aquarius 20° to 30° Aquarius May 11 to May 20Saturn in Taurus 20° to 30° Taurus
Eight Nov 23 to Dec 2 Mercury in Sagittarius 0° to 10° Sagittarius Feb 19 to Feb 28 Saturn in Pisces 0° to 10° Pisces May 21 to May 31 Jupiter in Gemini 0° to 10° Gemini Aug 23 to Sept 1 Sol in Virgo 0° to 10° Virgo
Nine Dec 3 to Dec 12 Moon in Sagittarius 10° to 20° Sagittarius Mar 1 to Mar 10 Jupiter in Pisces 10° to 20° Pisces June 1 to June 10 Mars in Gemini 10° to 20° Gemini Sept 2 to Sept 11 Venus in Virgo 10° to 20° Virgo
Ten Dec 13 to Dec 21 Saturn in Sagittarius 20° to 30° Sagittarius Mar 11 to Mar 20 Mars in Pisces 20° to 30° Pisces June 11 to June 20Sol in Gemini 20° to 30° Gemini Sept 12 to Sept 22Mercury in Virgo 20° to 30° Virgo

The Major Arcana

The 22 Major Arcana are associated with Zodiacal, Elemental and Planetary attributes.

The Zodiacal Trumps cover the time period associated with their zodiac sign. The Planetary Trumps correspond to the days of the week or the orbit of the planet, and the Elemental associations don’t cover a time period at all.

There are three primary elements associated with the 22 Trumps. The Golden Dawn attributed these three Trump cards — The Fool, The Hanged Man, and the Aeon, with the three Mother letters of the Hebrew alphabet.

  Zodiacal Planetary Elemental
  Zodiacal Planetary Elemental
0. The Fool     Air
1. Magus   Mercury. Rules Wednesday.  
2. Priestess   Moon. Rules Monday.  
3. Empress   Venus. Rules Friday.  
4. Emperor Aries. March 21 to April 19    
5. Hierophant Taurus. April 20 to May 20    
6. Lovers Gemini. May 21 to June 20    
7. Chariot Cancer. June 21 to July 22    
8. Justice Libra. September 23 to October 22    
9. Hermit Virgo. August 23 to September 22    
10. Wheel of Fortune   Jupiter. Rules Thursday.  
11. Lust or Strength Leo. July 23 to August 22    
12. Hanged Man     Water
13. Death Scorpio. October 23 to November 21    
14. Art or Temperance Sagittarius. November 22 to December 21    
15. Devil Capricorn. December 22 to January 19    
16. Tower   Mars. Rules Tuesday.  
17. Star Aquarius. January 20 to February 18    
18. Moon Pisces. February 19 to March 20    
19. Sun   The Sun. Rules Sunday.  
20. Aeon     Fire/Spirit
21. Universe   Saturn. Rules Saturday. Earth

The Court Cards

Below are the attributes for the Court Cards. The Kings are called Knights and the Knights are called Princes in the Golden Dawn system.

  Wands Cups Swords Disks
  Wands Cups Swords Disks
Knight (or King) Nov 13 to Dec 12 20° Scorpio to 20° Sagittarius Rules 7 of Cups; 8 of Wands; 9 of Wands Fire of Fire Feb 9 to Mar 10 20° Aquarius to 20° Pisces Rules 7 of Swords; 8 of Cups; 9 of Cups Fire of Water May 11 to June 10 20° Taurus to 20° Gemini Rules 7 of Disks; 8 of Swords; 9 of Swords Fire of Air Aug 12 to Sept 11 20° Leo to 20° Virgo Rules 7 of Wands; 8 & 9 of Disks Fire of Earth
Queen Mar 11 to Apr 10 20° Pisces to 20° Aries Rules 10 of Cups; 2 of Wands; 3 of Wands Water of Fire June 11 to Jul 11 20° Gemini to 20° Cancer Rules 10 of Swords; 2 of Cups; 3 of Cups Water of Water Sept 12 to Oct 1220° Virgo to 20° Libra Rules 10 of Disks; 2 of Swords; 3 of Swords Water of Air Dec 13 to Jan 9 20° Sagittarius to 20° Capricorn Rules 10 of Wands; 2 of Disks; 3 of Disks Water of Earth
Prince (or Knight) Jul 12 to Aug 11 20° Cancer to 20° Leo Rules 4 of Cups; 5 of Wands; 6 of Wands Air of Fire Oct 13 to Nov 12 20° Libra to 20° Scorpio Rules 4 of Swords; 5 of Cups; 6 of Cups Air of Water Jan 10 to Feb 8 20° Capricorn to 20° Aquarius Rules 4 of Disks; 5 of Swords; 6 of Swords Air of Air Apr 11 to May 10 20° Aries to 20°Taurus Rules 4 of Wands; 5 of Disks; 6 of Disks Air of Earth

The Aces and the Princesses

They don’t represent astrological signs of the Zodiac. What they do represent are locations.

In some decks they are called Pages; in others, Princesses. There are important reasons, albeit philosophical ones, for why this is so. I will discuss that in a future post.

What is of more practical importance is how the Aces and the Princesses are linked together. The Aces being the root element of their suit and the Princesses the vehicle in which they manifest. In many ways the Aces and the Princesses have a special relationship.

Use the following information to predict locations.

Aces and Princesses
Wands Rules the Cancer/Leo/Virgo celestial quadrant above the North Pole and the area of Asia
Cups Rules the Libra/Scorpio/Sagittarius celestial quadrant above the North Pole, and the area of the Pacific
Swords Rules the Capricorn/Aquarius/Pisces celestial quadrant above the North Pole, and the area of Americas
Disks Rules the Aries/Taurus/Gemini celestial quadrant above the North Pole, and the area of Africa & Europe

Conclusion

The purpose of this post is to get you practicing this system straight away. Only through experimentation and practice will you know if you want to use it.

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50 comments… Let's discuss

Nancy Hendrickson July 26, 2010 at 10:18 pm

Doug – thanks for the great post. Instead of working, I’ve been sitting here playing with timing! Question: The card that most signified the future in my reading was XX Judgement (AEON). Since it doesn’t indicate a time period at all, do you look for another card for timing, or just assume that “the cards haven’t been dealt” on the subject yet – so timing is still up in the air?

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Douglas Gibb July 27, 2010 at 8:42 pm

Hi Nancy,

Good question!

I see the Aeon card as something that has already happened.

I’ve always interpreted this card as representing, “Final decision in respect to the past, new current in respect to the future; always represents the taking of a definite step.”

The way this plays out in a Tarot reading is that the event has already happened – but people aren’t always consciously aware of that (some can’t see that anything has changed – some don’t want change). It doesn’t matter what they want, the event has already happened so it’s more a question of adaptation rather than choice. I guess they could choose to ignore it, but that’s all they would be doing.

When this card appears in a Tarot reading, it’s a big indicator that life will never be the same again – something definite has changed (the new Aeon has already arrived). I would normally look for a cluster of cards within the rest of the Tarot reading to determine when this Aeon event took place and interpret from there.

I hope that helps :)

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Bonnie Cehovet July 27, 2010 at 7:01 am

Douglas -

I really, really liked this post! Very cool that it is part of a series! Very cool that you advise readers to take the astrological attributions as they see them (which may be different from how you have presented them) and work with that. Kudos on takng the time to present the charts ont he cards in such a readable manner!

Re Nancy’s question on cards that have no indicated time period – I am wondering whether we want to, as she suggested, take the viewpoint that the timing has not been written yet, or whether we might want to take the viewpoint that the timing has a sense of immediacy to it?

Blessings,
Bonnie

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Douglas Gibb July 27, 2010 at 9:01 pm

Hi Bonnie,

Interesting question!

There are 3 Major Arcana that don’t have timing associated with them – the Fool, Hanged Man and the Aeon.

The Aeon is an event I interpret as having already happened, the Hanged Man is never a single event (more the consequence of a lack of events), and the Fool is the unexpected – and that goes for timing as well. It’s impossible to predict the timing of the Fool – it’s unpredictable. It’s also impossible to nail down the Hanged Man to a set time period – it doesn’t represent a single event, more the lack of events!

From this perspective I’m inclined to think that the Fool always has the sense of immediacy associated with it but the Hanged Man might suggest that the timing hasn’t been written yet.

Whenever I see the Hanged Man, I usually see it as representative of a long period of inactivity – but not a set time frame.

It’s important to remember that the Aeon, the Hanged Man and the Fool have no timing associated with them, whereas all the other cards do. It’s also important to remember that the cards that do have timing associated with them, don’t filter their personalities into the time frame – or every Tuesday would be horrible (Tower) and every Friday would only be about love (Venus).

More often than not, I will look to a cluster of Tarot cards as opposed to just one single Tarot card to help me predict the Timing.

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bonnie cehovet July 27, 2010 at 10:28 pm

Douglas -

Good thoughts here! I like the idea of timing being a grouping of cards, rather than one signle card.

Blessings,
Bonnie

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Colin July 27, 2010 at 7:56 am

Hi Doug,

I think that you were reading my mind on this one. This is what I’ve been wanting for some time now as I have been buying some books on astrology very interesting; will have a good look and will practice it and let you know what I come up with,

Yours,
Colin

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Douglas Gibb July 27, 2010 at 9:29 pm

Hi Colin,

Awesome! I hope to hear how your experimentation goes :)

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Erica July 27, 2010 at 9:00 am

Hmmm, this is interesting post. Okay, for example..If you pull out a 6 of wands and nine of wands…would it be Aug 2-Dec 12? but if wands are considered days and I make the major a 30 day period as well….wouldn’t it be 30 days plus 15 more days? That’s how i see it. Since Court and Major seem to be related to the 30 day period. Let me know your thoughts.

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Douglas Gibb July 27, 2010 at 9:37 pm

Hi Erica,

Okay, for example..If you pull out a 6 of wands and nine of wands…would it be Aug 2-Dec 12?

I wouldn’t read it that way. Not to say that that isn’t a possible way to do things, but more that it isn’t always practical.

What you’re trying to look for, when it comes to predicting when events will happen, are a group of cards that hint towards a single time frame – and they may not necessarily be from the same suit. It’s impossible to say from your example if it was from a larger reading or they were just two single cards. Either way, intuition is your best guide.

but if wands are considered days and I make the major a 30 day period as well….wouldn’t it be 30 days plus 15 more days?

The problem with approaching things this way is that you’re using two different frameworks and are trying to meld the two into one. It’s best to choose one framework when you’re making a prediction, other wise you just end being confused.

I hope that helps :)

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Cher Green July 27, 2010 at 2:28 pm

Great post!

I’ve always been interested in the timing in the cards but it has always alluded me. I’ve tried a few other methods but have never found any that felt exactly right.

Thanks for taking the time to produce these great charts. They should be very helpful in experimenting with this process.

I guess only practice will reveal which cards to use in this process.

I’m assuming that if within the reading there is a Two of Wands, Emperor, Queen of Wands, and the Empress, an event could be narrowed down to Friday March 25th of next year? This is just something I pulled out by matching cards that were similar. Can the Tarot really pinpoint an event this closely?

I will definitely give this some practice over the next few days and see if it works for me.

Thanks again for another great post.

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Douglas Gibb July 27, 2010 at 9:47 pm

Hi Cher,

… an event could be narrowed down to Friday March 25th of next year? This is just something I pulled out by matching cards that were similar. Can the Tarot really pinpoint an event this closely?

LOL, yes it can :)

You could take the Golden Dawn framework to its absolute extreme and predict events to the hour and minute.

There are a few occasions were this may be useful – if a client wanted a Tarot reading that was only to predict what would happen tomorrow. Under these kinds of requests, this system can be really useful and very specific.

Overall though, I tend to keep my predictions to the week, or month :D

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Erica July 27, 2010 at 10:51 pm

Hey Doug,

I figured something out here. I could be wrong. Let’s say you have The Hanged Man, since it is the 12th card in the Major Arcana and it is connected to the 4′s and water. Wouldn’t that mean the 12th month (Dec), since water is related to cups? From your chart up there, if the month December comes up twice in your reading, most likely that would be your answer, right? I do appreciate your feedback, Doug. I love reading your methods for Tarot Timing. Any chance of making a Timing in Tarot Part 2, explaining what the Court Cards, The Major Arcana and what the Aces mean?

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Douglas Gibb August 2, 2010 at 2:29 pm

Hi Erica,

Your example with the Hanged Man doesn’t apply to this framework. Perhaps one of the drawbacks to any system is its rigidity. It doesn’t allow for multiple frameworks to be combined – it’s complete in and of itself.

However, if you were to continue to combine different systems, and found a way of making them work … then you would have created your own framework; which I personally think would be a brilliant thing.

It’s important to have clarity though. In the beginning of learning a new framework, you must approach it as a complete system in itself. Do not combine other frameworks with it.

Once you’ve spent some time learning this one framework, then you could start to combine others. But I would only advise doing this after you’ve fully understood this one.

It’s a fine balance. On the one hand we want to find our own system of doing things, and on the other, we want to learn different frameworks. The balance is simple this: whatever the framework that you choose to learn is, stick to it. Limit yourself to only doing it that way. Give yourself a month or so. Then, re-evaluate. This will allow you to make an informed choice as to how you wish to proceed.

I have just written a follow up to this article that you may like.

I hope that helps :D

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Sara August 5, 2010 at 10:57 am

Wow, you know this blog is the closest thing I have to a good tutor for tarot right now. Your charts are rather… dazzling. I like trying to work with them because I love seeking out patterns. (I’m just not very good at it) But I’m right with you when you say that making predictions and reading the tarot and really figuring out anything is about recognizing patterns. I kind of see this universe as a large sort of tapestry woven upon dozens of other tapestries that weave in and out and… anyways- I’m impressed by the charts you’ve provided, and the sense you have made of the system we’re all trying to learn.

I have had a bit of a tarot block pretty much all through July. Today I wanted to try your practice method and see what I could come up with. But there’s still a point I have trouble sorting out. Let me try and explain: I asked about my living situation in the next few months and threw down five cards. 2 of wands, 9 of pentacles, 8 of wands, 6 of cups, and 3 of cups (reversed) what I got out of it was two cards indicating events in early and late November. And also two influences of Mercury. Well, I looked up Mercury and it’s going into retrograde later this month and I read that it’s going to indicate a need for preventative measures. So… while I notice things in the cards like a little over-indulgence(3 of cups), or gift giving (six of cups), and maybe some competition for stuff (2 of wands and 9 of pentacles), the Month of November is indicated by the cards 8 of wands and 6 of cups… Would you say that those two cards represent the events that will happen in November? Or just that November is an important month but not necessarily assigned to what the actual meanings are? I suppose the fact that they are laid out next to each other kind of pulls me towards the easiest assessment. In November, things will begin to move more rapidly and there will be a reunnion of some kind…And perhaps beforehand in September (9 of pentacles) There will be a period of stability and the beginnings of prosperity. Mercury indicated by the 8 of wands and 3 of cups suggests tension and the need to be careful and clear in communication. Hm.. maybe you see what I mean by your charts being dazzling, There are so many ways to take everything!

Sorry for being wordy, I can sometimes only work things out by writing and I have been stunted lately. But your posts are always truly inspiring and I love getting the chance to really take a look at different methods of reaching a conclusion in a reading.

I look forward to your next post! Example readings are so helpful. Thanks for all the posts you share with us!

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Douglas Gibb August 7, 2010 at 11:49 am

Hi Sara,

Thank you for your kind words.

I kind of see this universe as a large sort of tapestry woven upon dozens of other tapestries that weave in and out

I completely agree.

2 of wands, 9 of pentacles, 8 of wands, 6 of cups, and 3 of cups (reversed) what I got out of it was two cards indicating events in early and late November

Great insight into this spread – I particularly liked the Mercury retrograde connection. And yes, I think November will be the conclusion of this reading.

It is possible that you will feel like you gained a sense of security in September, but that November, although good … seriously challenges that safety. The reading shows that you will gain (comfort, security, a feeling of commitment) but with so many expectations … it might be hard to accept the changes that will happen.

I suppose the fact that they are laid out next to each other kind of pulls me towards the easiest assessment.

Yes, easy and simple is the very best way to read Tarot cards. “Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication” – Leonardo Da Vinci.

In November, things will begin to move more rapidly and there will be a reunion of some kind…And perhaps beforehand in September (9 of pentacles); there will be a period of stability and the beginnings of prosperity.

Couldn’t have put it better myself :)

Mercury indicated by the 8 of wands and 3 of cups suggests tension and the need to be careful and clear in communication.

Yes, expectations (and the misunderstandings that go with that) are the challenge.

I can sometimes only work things out by writing and I have been stunted lately.

LOL, I’m exactly the same :D

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Pedro August 14, 2010 at 10:17 pm

Hi Doug!
Thank you so much for these amazing two posts on the Golden Dawn astrological associations. They are similar to those on page 51 of Robert Wang’s The Qabalistc Tarot, aren’t they?

I always go to this system for time predictions and it’s terribly accurate! For example, when using the Golden Dawn 15 card spread, I look to the 3 cards on the top right of the spread. Sometimes I get 2 or even 3 cards pointing to the same time frame, according to these tables. The Golden Dawn system works for me and I trust it! Thanks again!

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Douglas Gibb August 16, 2010 at 12:05 pm

Hi Pedro,

Yes, Robert Wang’s book is a great resource for this kind of study :)

Sometimes I get 2 or even 3 cards pointing to the same time frame

That is very similar to how I do it as well :D

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safirah August 17, 2010 at 12:00 am

Hi there Pedro,
as i readed your post, i looked for the sistem on the book Robert Wang’s The Qabalistc Tarot, and as i layout the Golden Dawn 15 card spread, the 3 cards on the top right of the spread for the question “when will i be moving house” didn’t make sense to me as a time meaning:

knight of pentacles 4 of cups 2 of wands

How would you interpreted?
Thank you all :)

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Pedro August 17, 2010 at 4:39 pm

Hi Safirah!
Thanks for your question :)
Which deck did you use? A Knight in the Thoth is a King in the RWS deck…
Pedro

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safirah August 17, 2010 at 4:43 pm

Hey :D,
I used the tarot marseille…

Thanks for answer!

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Pedro August 17, 2010 at 5:38 pm

OK Safirah, so I’ll consider these three cards as a 3 card spread, since I don’t know the other cards you picked.

Which card(s) indicate(s) the time frame for the move? This is your question, right?

You’re asking about a move, and both Earth (Knight of Pentacles) and Water (4 of Cups) cards are slow. I wouldn’t go for these for time references. The Fire card (2 of Wands) reflects more movement and it’s a 2, so it represents the beginning of a new cycle.

Considering the meaning, I would suggest that you have been working on your financial stability and security, but you’re bored, not seeing many possibilities of actually moving. The 2 of Wands says you will take control of your territory and make it your own, which surprisingly is a message very close to your question. I would go for the end of March as a time frame for the move opportunity to come forth.

Hope that helps :)

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Safirah August 17, 2010 at 10:43 pm

Hello PEdro, again :)

Wow,
i would never go that way, but it sounds credible! The truth is that before the house move i’m waiting for a professional oportunity beckons for my husband in another city wich would make possible the house moving… So i’m anxious about it all, and i’m making many layouts and getting confused :S

March, It sounds so delayed :/// but it’s a good possibility. I’ll try to use your method for the nexts layouts and hope i can predict time with the tarot with precision :D

Thank you for the time spent on my doubts,
Continue the great job! :)

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Cher Green August 17, 2010 at 10:55 pm

Pedro – I’m so glad you posting your opinion of Safirah’s cards. Theat made some sense the way you presented it. I do wonder though if she’d presented all the cards if you’d chosen another date. Does the cards you choose for the event prediction have more to do with position or card?

Safirah- March may not be the big delay that you are thinking. I found my house in December of last year, but I wasn’t able to move in until the middle of March.

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Pedro August 25, 2010 at 5:26 pm

Hi Safirah,
Thanks! The job situation you mentioned is associated with the knight of pentacles. Hope everything turns out well for you :)

Hi Cher,
Maybe I would have read the cards differently, I don’t know… The cards suggesting future events are usually the “outcome” cards in a spread. That’s where I look for time, but not always. The bottom left 3 cards on the 15 card spread give some indication of future events as well.

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C August 26, 2010 at 4:59 am

Hey everyone!

My head is about to explode after all the articles I’ve read about timing. I’ve been waiting for over a year now for a prediction that I was told would happen but it never came to pass. But when I read about it again with a very accurate reader months after the first reading, I was given the same outcome which was uncanny. But it didn’t come to pass still…it’s very late now since the timing was predicted.

Anyway, I did my own reading tonight where I posed a question and then after that I drew three cards to ask about the timing. I drew Wheel of Fortune, Ace of Cups and lastly, 6 of cups. My gut was to think 1-6 weeks and it will happen suddenly, sooner than I expect.

Well, I don’t know if this was the wrong thing to do or not, but I decided to draw three cards again just to make sure and test that I had it right. Especially cause I worried cups could be months…but my gut said weeks.

So I then drew Hermit, Justice reversed and then 6 of swords. Hermit is August 23-Sept 22 and I know that Justice represents the month after that, Sept 22-Oct 23, but because it was reversed and my reaction was to believe that meant the outcome wouldn’t pass in the Libra month, but sooner, in the Virgo time frame. Also, because it ended with 6 of swords and that means 6 weeks, it seemed reinforced its in the next 6 weeks, so more of that Aug 23-Sept 22 time. And drawing a 6 of swords this time made me feel confident about my first reaction that the cups in my spread are weeks and not months.

Am I crazy? I know I’m very attached to this situation and maybe shouldn’t be reading for myself, but I have been waiting over a year for what I was told would come to pass…I could tell you about the question I posed and the cards I drew if you want to know.

C

(Can anyone recommend any good accurate readers?)

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safirah August 26, 2010 at 12:21 pm

Cher Green thanks for sharing :)

Pedro, thank you for your tip ;) Hope it turns out that way :D

When you say “The bottom left 3 cards on the 15 card spread give some indication of future events as well.” it’s not the 3 above right?

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Cher Green August 28, 2010 at 12:31 am

C,

Interesting, pulling extra cards for just the timing. I hadn’t thought of that. I will have to try that. Of course, the interpretation of the timing of each card should be clear before trying this. There are many methods out there for predicting timing.

:) I would recommend myself, but I haven’t got the timing issue worked out just yet.

One thing I will say about timing. This is my thought. I would think that predicting time would be a very touchy issue, for so many things change as we move forward in life. If someone predicts something that would happen three months from the time of the reading, it just seems to me that anything could happen to change that in such a large amount of time. I guess this is why I haven’t looked to close at predicting timing in my readings.

I will say though that I am extremely curious as to rather it works or not. I was able to predict timing on one reading and it did work, but the predicted time was the very next week.

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C August 28, 2010 at 5:34 pm

I’m new to all this. I guess I didn’t realize it’s not good to draw extra cards for timing! I can’t quite figure it all out, I think it’s not good I’ve read for myself cause I’m too attached to the situation.

I’ve had a couple readers predict the same outcome in the past year and strangely the outcome never came to pass…the timing was always off. I wonder if readers can pick up more on what is going on in your head and what you want rather than what really is best or really will happen…

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Douglas Gibb August 30, 2010 at 12:43 am

Hi C,

Speaking for myself, it’s a combination of the two. It’s impossible not to pick up on what the client is thinking and most commonly this influences the reading. The real knack when reading for others (or for yourself) is to treat it like a game – a game that you play to lose.

I know this sounds counter-productive, but in my experience it’s the best way to read. By playing to lose, you’re effectively detaching yourself. On top of this, the freeing nature of this approach allows for an increase in intuition and a good deal of fun.

Humans can never be truly detached, but what we can do is use this knowledge to our advantage. The next time you read for yourself, or others, do whatever you need to do (my way is to imagine it’s all one big game where the winner is the one who looses) to free yourself (even if it’s only slightly) and you will find that your readings take on a fluency that weren’t there before.

Hope that helps :D

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Chloe October 19, 2010 at 4:14 pm

Hi Doug

This post is very helpful to us.
I did a reading for myself and for my clients using RWS in Celtic spread. It is so accurate that I started to gain confidence with the timeframe.

Last February this year, a client came to me. The question was “when will the divorce case end? I drew the Death card and I said by the end if October to November.
Surprisingly, he called me last week the case was finalized last october 12 and by November 18 the shares will be set. I can’t say anything but “wow” really?

When i found out the Tower is Tuesday I tried that again last aug for my other client,
And he told me that tuesday was the day he got a notice from authorities that he wouldn’t be getting any court process.
So far, there were five of events that I’ve used using this method turned out with great accuracy with just trusting my intuition without doubt.
Great work Doug!

Many thanks.

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lyanne January 3, 2011 at 4:04 pm

Chloe ,
can you reveal the time associations that you do to mayor arcana? days ands months.
thks!

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lyanne January 3, 2011 at 4:05 pm

hi Chloe ,
could you say what associations you do to mayor arcana? days and months.

thks!

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lyanne January 3, 2011 at 4:15 pm

waiting for a call, i took the celtic spread and the card that came out in the 6 position was the world and the 10th card is page of cups. the 8th card is the car….mean… saturday?

thks for opinions :)

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Karolina March 17, 2011 at 7:16 pm

Hi Douglas!
I love your site :)
I wanted to ask you when you think this event will occur.
I pulled two cards for timing:

Wheel of fortune+4 of wands

Thanks!

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lyanne May 8, 2011 at 11:16 pm

I have a question…If i do a timing reading…using the celtic cross spread for example, and the presence of FOOL shows up, whatever on the present position or potentional outcome position… does it mean that the event is unpredictable even if there is a sort-of consistent time frame (a group of cards connected to a specific month) in the reading?

I would like to know this answer :)

Thanks

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lyanne May 8, 2011 at 11:35 pm

Ah, same question for the hanged man…if he shows up in present position, that would discard totally the timing predictions of the rest of the cards in the reading?!

THks

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Douglas Gibb May 9, 2011 at 3:11 pm

Hi Lyanne,

Tough questions :D

The Fool, Hanged Man and Aeon (Judgement card) all seem to obey rules that are separate from the other Tarot cards.

I find that these three Tarot cards all obey there own rules, and they are such powerful cards that they usually overrule the rest of the cards (both in terms of predicting what will happen and when it will happen). I usually think of the Fool as something that will happen sooner rather than later, the Hanged man is about things taking a very long time and the Aeon card indicates that it has already happened.

The above answer is more from my personal experience rather than from any formal methodology. It may or may not work for you. The best bet is to keep doing readings and seeing what those cards mean for your style of interpretation.

Having said all that, if you like the Kabbalah, it could be because those three cards are in sync with the three Mother Letters of the Hebrew alphabet. Check them out (or not), and let me know how you get on :)

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lyanne May 9, 2011 at 4:40 pm

:D i imaginned you would give me a proper answer :p
My intuition supports that thought too…anyway i’ll keep the readings written and wait to check out when events will happen.

I must say something altough…i did a timing reading and when the fool showed up (not normally this happened, but this time did) my intuition said: “it is so unpredictable that it already happened without you even know it.”

But i don’t know…if i stay up with that, because it was just that time…or put that feeling everytime fool shows up on timing reading…hmmmm or maybe i should be going with my intuition every different times…even if she tells me differently.

Any opinion about this :p ?

Thanks!

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Douglas Gibb May 9, 2011 at 6:07 pm

Hi Lyanne,

I would let my intuition flow each time I saw the Fool. I would not try and use a ‘set definition’ each time it came up. The Golden Rule (if there is such a thing) is to use your intuition, even if it contradicts the previous interpretation. The important thing is to never force a meaning on a card, rather, let it speak to you as if it were for the first time.

I hope that helps :)

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lyanne May 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm

:’) yes it did.

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Moonstruck June 12, 2011 at 8:40 am

Im having trouble with this concept because the cards are all over the place as far as your charts above. If you get all kinds of dates, should you just go with the outcome card. I have done a celtic cross with The wheel of fortune, 6 of swords, 9 of wands, the emperor, 10 of swords, King of pentacles, Page of swords, page of swords, the fool, the devil, knight of swords. Knight of swords is the outcome card but it would be May to June 10. So does that mean I met my soulmate during May through June 10?

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Moonstruck June 12, 2011 at 9:00 am

I messed up disregard the one above I meant this spread 4 of wands, the chariot, knight of pentacles, king of pentacles, queen of pentacles, queen of pentacles, 4 of pentacles, 8 of pentacles, 10 of swords, 10 of cups, king of wands, If you base it on king of wands it would be November or december when I would meet my soulmate but if the cluster of pentacles are all over the place, so what do you do?

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Erica June 12, 2011 at 10:54 pm

Hey Moonstruck, there are a lot of summer months in your reading. I’d say, you would meet your soulmate during the summer time. If you have to go with what month comes up the most in your reading and then determined an answer.
I’d say, the answer would be August and September.

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Moonstruck June 15, 2011 at 8:56 pm

I don’t understand something, most of the time I ask the tarot questions concerning me now, like can you give me insight on my relationship with xxxx, so if the reading is going to be about something happening 4 months from now that is just messed up. I usually do a reading every day. I often ask I’m I still on target with my goal? If this is so then I would have to go back to last Jan or Feb to find out what is going on now and at that time a different question would have been ask. I’m really confused.

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Erica June 16, 2011 at 2:56 am

Hey moonstruck, it’s best to wait a month within’ each question you ask, because if you keep asking the same question..the timeframe becomes longer to wait. If you really want to do a simple timing method..take 3 cards. All minor, no majors. Only shuffle and the cut the minor. For example..Ask, when it sees you in a relationship with this person..
Kings, Knights, Swords and Wands: Active suits.
Queens, Pages, Pentacles & Cups: Passive suits.

3 active cards is days.
2 active cards is weeks.
1 active card is months.
0 active cards means, nothing is set yet.

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So Confused November 1, 2011 at 9:18 pm

Hi Erica :-)
I took your advise on shuffling just the minor cards and I came up with 6 of swords, King of swords and 9 of cups. So does it mean that the event will happen in 6 weeks since I had 2 active cards??

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Erica November 20, 2011 at 2:23 am

Hey SoConfused,

I’d say 6 to 9 weeks but also look at the message of the cards too.

The way i read it, you will receive a message from a man. It will be a nice one too. Since you pulled the wish card there.

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Erica December 28, 2011 at 8:49 pm

Did anything happen for you So Confused? Just wondering.

Also, i’m looking to exchange tarot e-mails again. If anyone is interested, let me know. =)

I hope everyone had a good christmas.

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louise May 11, 2012 at 2:42 pm

wow this is fantastic what you have done doug, i sort of understand the whole aspect of the time date and month, i needed to know when an important event will take place in my life, so i ask if i do a 5 card spread using the RWT would this still give me an accurate reading and insight into the time frame. I ask because as a begginer to tarot ( and very impressed with your website) would any deck give this information.
thanks so much
lou lou

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Douglas Gibb May 31, 2012 at 6:40 pm

Hi Louise,

Thank you for your kind words :)

Yes, the RWT is good deck to use and you would get good results from it. However, there are decks which explicitly use these timings and place appropriate symbols on the cards as a reminder. These decks can make things even easier when it comes to making predicitions around the timing of an event. The Thoth or a Golden Dawn deck are good choices.

In summary, the RWT is good but does require the use of memory. If you want to make it as easy as possible, consider another deck but in the end, if you can remember the information for each card then it doesn’t matter what deck you use.

With regards to the choice of spread, 5 cards is fine.

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