Showing the structure behind the Astrological Associations

by Douglas Gibb on August 2, 2010

The patterns behind the astrological associations and Tarot

I couldn’t sleep.

Not that this was unusual — it is the immensity, I believe. The vastness of things. The darkness of dreams. I was preoccupied.

That night I found myself engaged in the most intense concentration of thought. I could sense the interconnection; the oneness of things.

The next day I bought my first Tarot deck. I sought to understand. I looked for patterns.

Over the proceeding years I became obsessed; and no more so than when I was uncovering the patterns behind Tarot and Astrology.

If you want to understand why the Golden Dawn structured Tarot and Astrology the way they did … look for patterns

… and those patterns will help you see the interconnection of things.

I’m going to help you understand this system by showing you the patterns.

The patterns

It was reading Lon Milo Duquette’s Understanding Aleister Crowley’s Thoth Tarot, that helped me with the last stages of understanding this system. It’s with full credit to Lon that I write this article.

Pattern recognition is the number one way humans interpret experience.

When an interesting experience happens; you note the pattern. When you see the same pattern again, you know what to expect. It’s the same with Tarot readings. The recognition of patterns is what allows you to make predictions. The more patterns you notice, the sharper your predictions will be.

The quickest way for you to understand the structure behind the Golden Dawn’s astrological associations, is if I gradually introduce some specific patterns, and systematically build upon them.

This article will start from the very beginning, with each new pattern building upon the last … until they reveal themselves. This understanding will allow you to use rationality to access your intuition, and predict when events will happen.

In the last article, I said I was going to change the order in which I presented information. Normally I’d explain why something works before suggesting ways to practice. This time I think it’s much more useful to you if I show you how to do it, before I explain it. This article is a continuation of how to use this system — not an explanation.

The first pattern to become aware of is the 12 signs of the zodiac.

There are two basic categories from which all the signs draw their characteristics: elements (triplicity), qualities (quadriplicity).

The Elements

In astrology each of these signs is allocated an Element — Fire, Water, Air and Earth.

The Golden Dawn then assigned that structure to the Minor Arcana like this:

  • Wands: Fire signs — Aries, Leo, Sagittarius.
  • Cups: Water signs — Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces.
  • Swords: Air signs — Libra, Aquarius, Gemini.
  • Disks: Earth signs — Capricorn, Taurus, Virgo.

In astrology, the 12 signs of the zodiac are also categorised according to their qualities, or mode of expression — Cardinal, Fixed or Mutable.

Cardinal signs serve as generators of activity. A good example of this would be to look at the pattern of the seasons. The start of each season is brought in by the Cardinal signs: Aries brings in Spring, Cancer brings in Summer, Libra brings in Autumn and Capricorn brings in Winter.

Fixed signs serve as concentrators of energy (the middle of the season) and Mutable signs serve to transfer energy (the ending of one season and the start of the next).

The Golden Dawn assigned that structure to the Minor Arcana like this:

  • Twos, Threes, Fours: Cardinal signs (Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn)
  • Fives, Sixes, Sevens: Fixed signs (Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius, Taurus)
  • Eights, Nines, Tens: Mutable signs (Sagittarius, Pisces, Gemini, Virgo)

Cardinal signs

Cardinal Signs — Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn
Aries Cancer Libra Capricorn
2 3 4 2 3 4 2 3 4 2 3 4
of Wands of Cups of Swords of Disks

Fixed signs

Fixed Signs — Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius, Taurus
Leo Scorpio Aquarius Taurus
5 6 7 5 6 7 5 6 7 5 6 7
of Wands of Cups of Swords of Disks

Mutable signs

Mutable Signs — Sagittarius, Pisces, Gemini, Virgo
Sagittarius Pisces Gemini Virgo
8 9 10 8 9 10 8 9 10 8 9 10
of Wands of Cups of Swords of Disks

12 signs of the Zodiac in their natural order

Have a look at the table below and see how many repeating patterns you can notice. Pay attention to the elements and qualities of the zodiac and the numbering of the Minor Arcana.

Zodiac signs in order
Aries – Cardinal Fire 2 3 4 of Wands
Taurus – Fixed Earth 5 6 7 of Disks
Gemini – Mutable Air 8 9 10 of Swords
Cancer – Cardinal Water 2 3 4 of Cups
Leo – Fixed Fire 5 6 7 of Wands
Virgo – Mutable Earth 8 9 10 of Disks
Libra – Cardinal Air 2 3 4 of Swords
Scorpio – Fixed Water 5 6 7 of Cups
Sagittarius – Mutable Fire 8 9 10 of Wands
Capricorn – Cardinal Earth 2 3 4 of Disks
Aquarius – Fixed Air 5 6 7 of Swords
Pisces – Mutable Water 8 9 10 of Cups

Notice the patterns?

Progression of the small cards through the zodiacal year

The Zodiac and therefore the year, is divided into 360°. Each of the small cards represents 1 decan (period of 10 degrees) of the zodiac, and approximately 10 days of the year. Like before, see how many repeating patterns you can find. Also, notice how each of these patterns builds upon the last.

Zodiac signs/modes/element Card number, decans, dates Suit
Zodiac signs/modes/element Card number, decans and dates Suit
Aries – Cardinal Fire
2 0°–10° Mar 21–30 of Wands
3 10°–20° Mar 31 Apr 10
4 20°–30° Apr 11–20
Taurus – Fixed Earth
5 0°–10° Apr 21–30 of Disks
6 10°–20° May 1–10
7 20°–30° May 11–20
Gemini – Mutable Air 8 0°–10° May 21–30 of Swords
9 10°–20° Jun 1–10
10 20°–30° Jun 11–20
Cancer – Cardinal Water 2 0°–10° Jun 21 Jul 1 of Cups
3 10°–20° Jul 2–11
4 20°–30° Jul 12–21
Leo – Fixed Fire 5 0°–10° Jul 22 Aug 1 of Wands
6 10°–20° Aug 2–11
7 20°–30° Aug 12–22
Virgo – Mutable Earth 8 0°–10° Aug 23 Sept 1 of Disks
9 10°–20° Sept 2–11
10 20°–30° Sept 12–22
Libra – Cardinal Air 2 0°–10° Sept 23 Oct 2 of Swords
3 10°–20° Oct 3–12
4 20°–30° Oct 13–22
Scorpio – Fixed Water 5 0°–10° Oct 23 Nov 1 of Cups
6 10°–20° Nov 2–11
7 20°–30° Nov 12–22
Sagittarius – Mutable Fire 8 0°–10° Nov 23 Dec 2 of Wands
9 10°–20° Dec 3–12
10 20°–30° Dec 13–20
Capricorn – Cardinal Earth 2 0°–10° Dec 22–30 of Disks
3 10°–20° Dec 31 Jan 9
4 20°–30° Jan 10–19
Aquarius – Fixed Air 5 0°–10° Jan 20–29 of Swords
6 10°–20° Jan 30 Feb 8
7 20°–30° Feb 9–18
Pisces – Mutable Water 8 0°–10° Feb 19–28 of Cups
9 10°–20° Feb 1–10
10 20°–30° Mar 11–20

Assignment of the Planets to the Small cards

An important pattern to become aware of is the placement of the Planets. Starting at Leo, the planets are assigned in the following repeating order:

  1. Saturn
  2. Jupiter
  3. Mars
  4. Sun
  5. Venus
  6. Mercury
  7. Luna

This is the descending order of the planetary spheres on the Tree of Life.

Zodiac signs/modes/element Card number, decans, dates, planets Suit
Zodiac signs/modes/element Card number, decans, dates, planets Suit
Aries – Cardinal Fire 2 0°–10° Mar 21–30 Mars of Wands
3 10°–20° Mar 31 Apr 10 Sun
4 20°–30° Apr 11–20 Venus
Taurus – Fixed Earth 5 0°–10° Apr 21–30 Mercury of Disks
6 10°–20° May 1–10 Moon
7 20°–30° May 11–20 Saturn
Gemini – Mutable Air 8 0°–10° May 21–30 Jupiter of Swords
9 10°–20° Jun 1–10 Mars
10 20°–30° Jun 11–20 Sun
Cancer – Cardinal Water 2 0°–10° Jun 21 Jul 1 Venus of Cups
3 10°–20° Jul 2–11 Mercury
4 20°–30° Jul 12–21 Moon
Leo – Fixed Fire 5 0°–10° Jul 22 Aug 1 Saturn of Wands
6 10°–20° Aug 2–11 Jupiter
7 20°–30° Aug 12–22 Mars
Virgo – Mutable Earth 8 0°–10° Aug 23 Sept 1 Sun of Disks
9 10°–20° Sept 2–11 Venus
10 20°–30° Sept 12–22 Mercury
Libra – Cardinal Air 2 0°–10° Sept 23 Oct 2 Moon of Swords
3 10°–20° Oct 3–12 Saturn
4 20°–30° Oct 13–22 Jupiter
Scorpio – Fixed Water 5 0°–10° Oct 23 Nov 1 Mars of Cups
6 10°–20° Nov 2–11 Sun
7 20°–30° Nov 12–22 Venus
Sagittarius – Mutable Fire 8 0°–10° Nov 23 Dec 2 Mercury of Wands
9 10°–20° Dec 3–12 Moon
10 20°–30° Dec 13–20 Saturn
Capricorn – Cardinal Earth 2 0°–10° Dec 22–30 Jupiter of Disks
3 10°–20° Dec 31 Jan 9 Mars
4 20°–30° Jan 10–19 Sun
Aquarius – Fixed Air 5 0°–10° Jan 20–29 Venus of Swords
6 10°–20° Jan 30 Feb 8 Mercury
7 20°–30° Feb 9–18 Moon
Pisces – Mutable Water 8 0°–10° Feb 19–28 Saturn of Cups
9 10°–20° Feb 1–10 Jupiter
10 20°–30° Mar 11–20 Mars

Court cards

The Knights (Kings), Queens, and Princes (Knights) rule from 20° of one sign to 20° of the next.

The Court cards are fascinating. Notice how they bring together and mix the elemental, qualities (Cardinal, Fixed and Mutable), decan and planetary attributions.

The reason for this is the special tasks that the Court cards perform (in a Kabbalistic Universe that is). These cards are what allow the Universe to maintain itself; they were also responsible for its creation.

These are the cards that mix up all the other attributions so that they are forced to combine and interact with each other. This interaction ensures the maintenance of the Universe. Without these cards performing this function, there would be no Universe.

Zodiac signs/modes/element Card number, Court Card, decans, dates, planets Suit
Zodiac signs/modes/element Card number, Court Card, decans, dates, planets Suit
Aries – Cardinal Fire 2 Queen of Wands 0°–10° Mar 21–30 Mars of Wands
3 10°–20° Mar 31 Apr 10 Sun
4 Prince of Disks 20°–30° Apr 11–20 Venus
Taurus – Fixed Earth 5 0°–10° Apr 21–30 Mercury of Disks
6 10°–20° May 1–10 Moon
7 Knight of Swords 20°–30° May 11–20 Saturn
Gemini – Mutable Air 8 0°–10° May 21–30 Jupiter of Swords
9 10°–20° Jun 1–10 Mars
10 Queen of Cups 20°–30° Jun 11–20 Sun
Cancer – Cardinal Water 2 0°–10° Jun 21 Jul 1 Venus of Cups
3 10°–20° Jul 2–11 Mercury
4 Prince of Wands 20°–30° Jul 12–21 Moon
Leo – Fixed Fire 5 0°–10° Jul 22 Aug 1 Saturn of Wands
6 10°–20° Aug 2–11 Jupiter
7 Knight of Disks 20°–30° Aug 12–22 Mars
Virgo – Mutable Earth 8 0°–10° Aug 23 Sept 1 Sun of Disks
9 10°–20° Sept 2–11 Venus
10 Queen of Swords 20°–30° Sept 12–22 Mercury
Libra – Cardinal Air 2 0°–10° Sept 23 Oct 2 Moon of Swords
3 10°–20° Oct 3–12 Saturn
4 Prince of Cups 20°–30° Oct 13–22 Jupiter
Scorpio – Fixed Water 5 0°–10° Oct 23 Nov 1 Mars of Cups
6 10°–20° Nov 2–11 Sun
7 Knight of Wands 20°–30° Nov 12–22 Venus
Sagittarius – Mutable Fire 8 0°–10° Nov 23 Dec 2 Mercury of Wands
9 10°–20° Dec 3–12 Moon
10 Queen of Disks 20°–30° Dec 13–20 Saturn
Capricorn – Cardinal Earth 2 0°–10° Dec 22–30 Jupiter of Disks
3 10°–20° Dec 31 Jan 9 Mars
4 Prince of Swords 20°–30° Jan 10–19 Sun
Aquarius – Fixed Air 5 0°–10° Jan 20–29 Venus of Swords
6 10°–20° Jan 30 Feb 8 Mercury
7 Knight of Cups 20°–30° Feb 9–18 Moon
Pisces – Mutable Water 8 0°–10° Feb 19–28 Saturn of Cups
9 10°–20° Feb 1–10 Jupiter
10 Queen of Wands 20°–30° Mar 11–20 Mars

Conclusion

In the last article, Timing and Predicting when Events will Happen with Astrological associations, I suggested that the best way to learn this system was by using it.

I suggested:

  1. Deal out your favourite Tarot spread.
  2. Make the usual predictions.
  3. Pick some cards that seem to indicate future events.
  4. Consult the list of attributions below to see when that event will occur.
  5. Record your results.
  6. Repeat the process. Keep repeating and testing the system. See if it’s for you.

Now, I would like you to start noticing the patterns. Look at how the Golden Dawn attributed astrology to the Tarot; notice the logic and rationality behind it. Recognition of these patterns will do more than just make you a better Tarot reader, it will give you a sense of the interconnection of things.

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27 comments… Let's discuss

Johane Wilson August 2, 2010 at 4:07 pm

Thank you for your wonderful posts. They are thought provoking and have provided me with much more insight than I would have attained from anywhere else,
I have purposely neglected the Astrological aspect of tarot, but I believe now that I have been missing an important element in my readings. It all seemed so confusing and complicated. And frankly, I was too lazy, busy, uninterested, intimidated to learn it. Your charts and positive energy give me a glimmer of clarity and a feeling that the learning curve is not as steep as I thought.

Thank you for the time you take to inspire and educate.
Johane

PS- I think you have a typo on the chart in Aries March 21-20. Should it be March 21 – 30?

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Douglas Gibb August 2, 2010 at 5:57 pm

Hi Johane,

LOL, oops. I’ve just updated the post :D

Thank you for your kind words, and I’m glad you’re finding the post useful. Astrology and Tarot can be intimidating but, in my experience, once it clicks into place, it becomes immensely useful!

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Cher Green August 2, 2010 at 11:19 pm

These are wonderful charts that you are providing for us. I’ve made printouts and they now reside in my tarot journal.

Problem is, I really don’t understand how to use these in a reading. How do you know which cards to look at? You say watch for patterns, but you are completely going over my head with this. I don’t understand at all.

Are you planning to do a post with an example possibly? That my be all I need to get this. I’d really like to add this dimension to my readings.

Best wishes,
Cher

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Douglas Gibb August 4, 2010 at 1:59 pm

Hi Cher,

I’m glad you like the post!

I understand your difficulty. I’ll be writing more posts on Tarot and Astrology in which I’ll use an example Tarot reading to illustrate how I approach things. However, in the meantime, looking for patterns is your best bet.

An example of this could be that in your Tarot reading, you have several cards indicating the time frame of Aries … or Capricorn.

Lets say we have the Devil card, the 3 of Disks and the 4 of Disks – all cards that are attributed with Capricorn. I would be inclined to make a prediction somewhere around the end of December to the start of January.

But what if there are competing groups of cards that indicate another time frame? Let’s say we have three Tarot cards associated with Capricorn and another three cards associated with Aries. Which time frame do we choose? That’s a decision that you will be forced to make often.

First, you need to make a mental note of the date in which you’re giving the Tarot reading.

Next, you need to look for other patterns. Those patterns might be, an excess of Fire cards (Wands).; an excess of Fire cards (Wands) would indicate that things will develop quickly. With that in mind, you would then go back to your Tarot cards and make a judgement based on this additional information. In our example, you would pick Capricorn over Aries because Capricorn occurs first.

Likewise, if you have no Fire or Air cards present in the reading, you would know that events will take a long time to occur. With that in mind, you would choose the time frame that was the furthest away from the date of the Tarot reading – in our example, Aries.

I hope that helps to explain what I mean by using patterns. Even something as simple as the distribution of the Elements can help you decide which time frame to select.

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Cher Green August 6, 2010 at 3:39 am

Doug, I look forward to your future posts.

Thanks for the extra info here, this should help a little. I’ll try again, maybe with a larger spread.

Thanks again.

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Bonnie Cehovet August 3, 2010 at 10:11 am

Douglas -

I love DuQuette’s work! He is funny, but very knowledgible. Great basis for articles like this. I am so pleased to see that you are making this a series – it all falls into place very nicely. I dearly love charts – and appreciate your takkng the time to put readable charts up.

I also appreciate your suggestion that readers take their favorite spreads, lay them out, and apply the principles here – see if they work for you, see if you are attracted to them.

It’s all good! :)

Blessings,
Bonnie

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Douglas Gibb August 4, 2010 at 2:04 pm

Hi Bonnie,

Thank you for your kind words :D

I also appreciate your suggestion that readers take their favorite spreads, lay them out, and apply the principles here – see if they work for you, see if you are attracted to them.

I think it’s really important for people to know that this isn’t the only way to use astrology with Tarot and that they should experiment first, and decide if they want to use it in their Tarot readings. We each have differing views on what the Tarot is, what it can do etc. It’s important for people to know that this way isn’t the only way … and that another system might fit them like a glove. Half the fun of using Tarot is experimenting with different systems – seeing if you are attracted to them :)

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fiona August 3, 2010 at 11:30 am

Thanks Doug. This is great. I have recently bought the CELESTIAL TAROT deck designed by Kay Steventon and Brian Clark. On the box it says “Celestial Tarot fuses the myths, symbols, and astronomy of the planets, signs, constellations, and fixed stars with astrological divination to reveal the mysteries of the Tarot in an engaging and unique way.” It also includes a book by Brian Clark. It’s a lovely deck, it may take a while ‘getting into it’, but it’s certainly worthwhile.
Cheers and thanks again,
Fiona

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Douglas Gibb August 4, 2010 at 2:08 pm

Hi Fiona,

Sounds like a great Tarot deck, and I hope this series of post helps to make that deck all the more engaging to use :D

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Tarotfaith August 3, 2010 at 1:34 pm

Hi Douglas,

Thanks for the post and putting together the tables. I will be mulling over these. The astrological associations also give a “personality” to these cards same as people. For disks:
2,3,4 (Capricon): Forever working and trying to make life better
5,6,7 (Tauras): Stubborn and likely to dig in their heels
8,9,10 (Virgo) : The good life and being particular

On predicting time frames, from your last post I have been trying that. I had several questions running through my head:
- should i allot one card or more for time frame?
- what if they point to two entire different times ?

I recently did a reading on “when will a new career opportunity come up” and left it after not being able to make sense out of the cards. My cards were:
5 of wands – Knight of pentacles -queen of pentacles , just a linear spread no positions hence adding more to my confusion.

In retrospect, I think I can read it clearly as Yes, you will need to sort out things and make some effort, but the Knight will bring you good news which will settle you in nicely by December.

Lots more practice required. It would certainly help a lot if you could give a sample reading.

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Douglas Gibb August 4, 2010 at 2:32 pm

Hi Tarotfaith,

The astrological associations also give a “personality” to these cards same as people.

Great observation! I agree!

should i allot one card or more for time frame?

Be flexible. Let the Tarot reading guide you. I personally use both, but more often than not, I’ll look to more than one card to confirm the Time frame!

what if they point to two entire different times ?

LOL, I actually answered that in another Comment. Basically, you would look to other patterns within the Tarot spread to determine which time frame to select. For instance, if there are a lot of Knights (or Princess) in the Tarot reading, the event will happen quickly. I would look to whatever time frame comes first, and select that as my prediction.

recently did a reading on “when will a new career opportunity come up” and left it after not being able to make sense out of the cards. My cards were:
5 of wands – Knight of pentacles -queen of pentacles , just a linear spread no positions hence adding more to my confusion.

I agree with your interpretation (“the Knight will bring you good news “). In terms of the timing, it’s always a decision that can be hard to feel confident in.

The 5 of Wands – Jul 22 Aug 1
Knight of Pentacles – Aug 12 – Sept 11

Notice how August unites these two time frames. It seems to me that August is when a lot of activity will take place concerning your question – perhaps it completes then, or does it complete in December? Either way, August will be an important month.

I plan on writing more posts concerning Tarot and Astrology – I’ll be sure to include an example Tarot reading that will hopefully make things clearer for people.

I hope that helps :D

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Robby August 3, 2010 at 2:20 pm

“Wow” is all I can say. I have perused the astrological associations forever and was never able to learn the patterns and charts that you’ve provided here. (I don’t care who you are, Golden Dawn source material is plainly obtuse). I’ve even read Duquette’s book and didn’t get what you seem to have gotten out of it. Excellent. I will definitely be adding these associations to my efforts. Thanks!

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Douglas Gibb August 4, 2010 at 2:38 pm

Hi Robby,

I don’t care who you are, Golden Dawn source material is plainly obtuse

LOL, agreed!

I’m glad you enjoyed, and found this post useful :)

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Lori August 4, 2010 at 12:51 am

I like the way in which you have changed the order of presenting the information – how and then the explanation, it works well.
Things are often much clearer when shown in chart form and the explanations help as well.
Thanks Doug.

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Douglas Gibb August 4, 2010 at 2:17 pm

Hi Lori,

I’m glad you’re enjoying it. I think, especially with this kind of subject matter, that experimenting and using it straight away actually helps to clarify it somewhat (and build confidence – I’m hoping it removes a lot of the mystery that surrounds it).

It’s all in the execution of course, but I’m hoping that with each successive post, I’m able to answer the questions people have from the last article … and come the final post, people can use this framework with complete confidence in their own abilities.

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Katrina Wynne August 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm

Hi Douglas,

Thank you for the Thoth and Astrology lesson. I’m always looking for easier ways to share this information with students and would love to pass on a couple of your charts, with reference to you, of course, if you approve.

Cheers,
Katrina

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Douglas Gibb August 13, 2010 at 12:21 am

Hi Katrina,

I’m honoured, thank you. :)

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Jeannine January 9, 2011 at 1:52 am

Hi:

I know you were dealing with the Toth deck but are the astrological associations the same for the Rider Waite Smith deck?

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Vincent June 20, 2011 at 5:51 am

If I were absolutely compelled to choose one and only one out of all the awesome posts you’ve shared with us on your great blog – I’d have a very, very difficult time choosing of course haha!

But for me, I’d probably choose this one. This has been the most clear, concise and understandable presentation of the Golden Dawn’s astrological attributions assigned to the tarot deck. Thank you so much for providing this to all of us… a perfect system for divining timing in a spread of cards, in my opinion – and presented here (free of charge lol!) in a clear format for those of us who plan to study, memorize & apply it to our future readings.

Thanks again Doug!

- Vincent (“donvicente” in the forums) ;)

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David Odin Kether August 7, 2011 at 7:11 am

Great post, I was just working through these attributions within DuQuette’s book as well. I was also extremely interested in your use of the astrological time-frames as a means to more accurately predict events… something that never even crossed my mind before but is such a simple and brilliant way to tap into that energy field. Thank you.

Now, my question for you: do you have any bloody idea why they start at 0º Leo? There’s so many things in my tarot study that just align and make so much sense, and then I tend to find a curveball like this. I just don’t understand the logic behind starting Planetary Associations at 0º Leo versus, say, 0º Aries where the rest of the associations start at… which isn’t to say that I disagree with their attributions, I’m just wondering what the reasoning was to starting there…

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Douglas Gibb August 31, 2011 at 8:14 pm

Hi David,

Sorry it has take so long to reply.

You ask a good question. In Book T it says, “and the beginning of the Decanates is from the royal Star of Leo, the great Star Cor Leonis: and therefore is the first Decan that of Saturn in Leo.”

A big difference between the Golden Dawn’s Zodiac and others, is how they attributed the first decanate. Normally, the first decanate is ruled by the planet ruling the sign. In the Golden Dawn, however, planets follow one another in their normal order (speed of apparent motion), beginning with Saturn for the first decanate of Leo.

The Golden Dawn Zodiac (which is similar to the sidereal zodiac) was, like everything else “Golden Dawn”, very much influenced by the Tree of Life. If you look at the Tree of Life you can see how the planets descend from the third Sephiroth down. This descent is what shapes the rest of their Zodiac and in a practical sense forces them to use Leo instead of Aries.

Last time I looked into all this stuff, I remember thinking there was a lot of heavy duty maths involved to illustrate one system over another. I’d like to get back to it at some point but I must admit that my interest wained :)

To answer your question, you will need to really study the Golden Dawn’s Tree of Life. Every single decision, from what a Tarot card means, to how the zodiac functions, was thought out with the Tree of life as its foundations.

I hope that helps and I’d love to hear if you’ve found out anything that might shed more light on the subject :)

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David Odin Kether September 2, 2011 at 6:12 am

Hey Douglas,

Thank you for your response. Your little snippet from Book T was a big key to me finding the actual answers I was looking for. The full answer is too long for me to post here, but I think you’ll find the following article (and the comment below it) EXTREMELY useful to getting a more complete understanding of why they chose to start in Leo like they did: http://fraterbarrabbas.blogspot.com/2011/01/pantheacon-2011-preparations-and.html

And don’t worry about the delay… everything always arrives in perfect time. Plus, Mercury was retrograde ;)

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David Odin Kether September 4, 2011 at 8:01 pm

In relation to this, I was watching DuQuette’s dvd series “Sexual Alchemy of the Thoth Tarot” and he mentions it briefly on the second disc that the 0º Leo start is also attributed to Chaldean astrology. He doesn’t really go into it any more in depth than that… but as always, ask for the answers and they inevitably will find you :)

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Douglas Gibb September 4, 2011 at 11:48 pm

Hi David,

Thanks for sharing this information with us. Lots of interesting stuff and some good pointers for those wanting to investigate this further.

I’ll have to check out the Chaldean angle :)

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Samson Fuentes August 12, 2011 at 2:46 am

Hello Mr. Gibb,

I am good at using the tarot but my knowledge of astrology is very very basic rudimentary. I tried to understand what your charts are saying but I am completely lost. I really really want to learn/decipher what your charts are saying and I hope that you can explain what the charts mean or at least tell me where I can learn what you discussed in your charts mean. What books or websites can help me.

I know that your charts are not for novices but can you please help the rest of us that do understand what you are stating.

Also is there a astrological tarot deck that can be used with your system mentioned above.

I appreciate you help. Thank you.

Samson

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Douglas Gibb August 31, 2011 at 7:19 pm

Hi Samson,

Sorry it has taken me so long to reply.

The best source of help will be your Tarot Deck. Certain Tarot Decks have the (Golden Dawn) astrological symbols on each card. This is a great help because it saves you from having to memorize them.

The two decks I use, the Thoth and the Haindl, are examples of such decks.

One way to use astrology with Tarot is as an aid to timing. This means that we can use the astrological information that is associated with each card to make predictions as to when an event will happen, or has happened.

Another use might be to expand our understanding of each card. For example, the Tower card is associated with Mars – the god of War. Knowing this, we can infer that the Tower has associations with War and War like acts. Information gathered from astrology can enrich what each card means.

As for additional learning resources, that will depend on what you know about astrology. There are plenty of great resources on-line, as well as any good introductory book. Allow yourself to take as long as you need to integrate astrology into Tarot and remember, it’s not something you need to learn in one go. Take your time.

I hope that helps :)

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David Odin Kether September 4, 2011 at 7:59 pm

Samson,

I just finished a post on my own blog providing some more “graphic” showcase of what the charts Douglas provided above would look like in relation to the zodiac wheel. I found that seeing them in this format has helped me immensely with understanding and visualizing the information a lot better.

http://davidodinkether.ca/zodiac-court-minor-arcana-astrology-attributions-thoth-tarot/

Hope it helps.

Cheers,

Dave

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